Two Tank System?

[stephenj]

G'day,

Newbie to this forum, ive had a bit of a search thru the threads for Two Tank system diagrams. I like the idea of the frybrids system of heating the Oil but was hoping i could get more input in the way of drawings/diagrams and your idea of a really good Two Tank system? I dont know enough to be able to design a Two Tank system but i probably would be able to obtain the required parts and install them if i had a diagram to go by. Im sure there's a few different designs floating around, I like the idea of:

a quick purge from VO back to Petro/Bio Diesel

no mixing of VO and Petroleum Diesel in the fuel return lines.

an electronic solenoid fuel switch

A method of removing the last bit of water (if any) from the VO???

Heating in the VO tank, fuel lines, VO filter, and FRYBRID heat exchanger as well as anywhere else it could be heated


I understand this is why you guys are here in the first place but is there some consensus on a good Two Tank VO fuel system? some kind of general diagram a newbie like myself can go by? unfortunately i cant afford to by the complete FRYBRID Kit, i'll probably buy the heat exchanger and a couple of other parts but try to obtain the rest in my country (New Zealand)

BTW I own a Toyota Starlet 1.5LDiesel 1-N engine (from Japan), all i know is that it doesnt have a Lucas CAV Diesel injector, theres one other guy that i know who has one and he's running his on WVO, so Im just gonna have to give it a go and hope it works. unfortunately not muchinfo on this engine or car that i could find.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me

Cheers

Stephen (Newbie)

[cgoodwin]

Look in the refference material section of this forum and I recommend buying plans by Dana Linscott, he posts FAR TOO OFTEN here on the forums ;-)


Postage to New Zealand is very expensive, probably because the rest of the world is jelous!

Chris

[stephenj]

Thank you very much, just did a search on Dana Linscott and got my hot little hands on a copy of a certain Installation manual ;-) its a start.

[dana linscott]

If You have not already seen the "10 steps" post on the infopop svo forum I would reccomend it as a good place to start.

It's here. (http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=447609751&f=159605551&m=347104314)

You may also want to do a search on this forum for "dewater". It should turn up some useful (free) info.

[cgoodwin]

Thank you very much, just did a search on Dana Linscott and got my hot little hands on a copy of a certain Installation manual ;-) its a start.

I am not sure what you are refering to. You can find the frybrid installation manual at www.frybrid.com/manual.htm (http://www.frybrid.com/manual.htm) it is free, Dana sells plans for a reasonable cost and they are delivered via email, I really seriously frown on anyone distributing copies of these plans as it robs Dana of income, if I find it here the person or persons will be banned from the site and be on my lifetime sh&% list. Like myself, Dana, Craig and others have spent a lot of time and money researching and are lucky if we get back 10% from sales.

If you ask questions on the forum and off you will eventually be walked through building most of your own components for less than a night at the pub, they may not be the BEST but they will work. If you want the best start saving and buy my products. (the one joy I have is being able to say I am the best on my own forum, short of my daughter no one believes me for a moment...But that is why I had her...Undieing, unquestioning love and admiration)

chris

[stephenj]

Great :) had a quick read thru the 10 step proccess and managed to find a Pollak 6 port valve locally, will read thru it again soon. at the moment I'm doing around 700km a week in my car, poor little thing..

[pwc]

Chris, you need to do some research on teenagers. :)

pwc

[cgoodwin]

I did until it became socially unacceptable due to the age difference.


Chris

[DieselBurps]

That's EXACTLY what he's talking about. Only - next time you get to experience it from the teenage girl's father's point of view...

[cgoodwin]

If you don't think that gives me nightmares, you are wrong. I am planning to move to Amish country just before puberty sets in!


Chris

[Bill C2]

That won't work either Chris. I understand they have a tradition that lets them experience the "world" for a few weeks on their own so they can make their own choice as to which path they will chose. Many just don't return home.

It doesn't matter where you go, the only solution is to raise them properly. (OH NO.. Iv'e become my father :eek: )

[cgoodwin]

The only probelm is I know men, we are driven by 4.5 million years of survival to lie, cheat, manipulate, dance, prance, and cry get into a position where we can spread a little genetic material. When I found out we were having a girl I went right out and bought a SPAZ semi-auto shotgun (aren't our gun laws grand), my plan is to lean it against the staris just inside the front door and take great pride in showing it to her dates.


Seriously though, education, education and education.

Chris

[pwc]

My plan is similar. Every 6 months we go out on our "Semi Annual Family Gun Buy" and make it well known event amongst our friends and neighbors. She's 3 now, so by the time she's dating we'll have a large arenal and I'll have a firm reputation as the Dad who owns "...more than 100 guns!! I've seen them, dude!!"
Although I doubt her dates will even know how to use that much punctuation in one phrase.

First Dates: Hide in tree on other side of driveway. Date pulls up. Paint his steering wheel with a nice red dot from over his shoulder. Call him on his cell phone (dont' ask me how I got it) and let him know when her curfew is.

That and teacher her how to beat the living &*^$(^% out of any guy that she doesn't like.

pwc

[madcat8000]

nah quietly cleaning ur gun infront of him will make ur point esp. if its a ak-47.

[DieselBurps]

Think back - ever date a girl with a protective father? For some reason, there seemed to always be an overactive labido that "dad" was not aware of!

Getting overly protective is likely going to make the good little girl rebellious! All of those "farmer's daughter" jokes have to have some basis in fact. Anyone ever listen to Frank Zappa? Think "Catholic Girls"... Face it - you lose! It's not a matter of losing really - it's just that you cannot win. It's been said that having a beautiful little girl is just the sins of your past coming back to haunt you over time! Settle for raising them right and teaching them some self respect. It's the best you can hope for!

I used to work with a guy who's 44 year old wife had 4 kids and a better figure than most 18 year olds could ever hope for. He was a former professional athlete and she was a model - and drop dead gorgeous. All 4 daughters(!) were growing up to look just like her. I haven't seen him in 10 years, but all 4 of those little girls are teenagers now. Poor fool...

[luckys420]

first time i went to the house of my high school sweetheart, she says "dad look whos here" he popped his head out of his bedroom took a look, went back inside and came out with a baseball bat and said " what the hell are you doing in my house" i just stood there with my mouth open kinda making some noises trying to figure out what to say. Keep in mind he was well over six foot 300#'s and i was just a little sixteen year old. but then he started laughing and said he was kidding.

[cgoodwin]

You better know how to run if you come to my house, "shell shock" is a sign of weak character and that bat would be put to use! Just kidding, didn't you end up being a competitive runner? OK I make a lot of jokes about it in the end I have to say, I have the exact same plan as Dieselburbs. I already have a head strong and confident girl, and at 26 months we play "Jab, jab, block" which she thinks is terribly funny (but when we play I have to actually think about it if I want to pinch her chin without being blocked). Education, confidence, self respect, education and self defense. Hell I moved out at 15 because my father thought a heavy hand and control was best.


Chris

[dana linscott]

Great start Chris,

I insisted...(OK..paid for, provided positive feedback, and bribed)..that both of my (then) teenage daughers take at least a year of TKD. Like DB said it did not ensure anything..except that short of using a gun none of their dates could ignore the word NO.

This allowed me to implement more strategic "safety" plans...like "REALLY LIKING" the boys that they dated...especially the ones I did NOT like.

Every teen seems to need something to rebel against.
I just tried to make certain that it was not me.

[cgoodwin]

Well joking about "cut deep wide and frequently, bleed them slow and bury them deep" is a sanity measure...Strange, does not sound sane... At the end of the day the well balanced teens seem to come from well balanced homes, sincec my daughter is already afflicted with a father who has never been in the box others speak of thinking outside of, she has already lost that advantage. So I guess she will have to settle for being raised with honesty and integrity, being empowered with self esteem and self respect and since most adults in our "culture" spend at least 75% of thier lives seeking those attributes which they should have had instilled as children, she will be ahead of the game.


A friend of mine came by yesterday and asked my advice, it seems that his 14 year-old daughter has started smoking pot and he is confused about what to do. Thinking about it so was I. If you use a heavy hand with a child who is already rebeling, they will go the exact opposite direction you push them. If you are accepting of the behaviour, you condone it. If you say "I do not agree with this and will not allow it in my house" then they do it elsewhere and you potentially put them in harms way. My only suggestion was that he sit down with her and discuss why she feels the need to smoke pot, then offer alternatives. If she is seeking acceptance in her peer group, change that group - sports, chess club, whatever. If she is seeking attention, give it to her, etc. Tough call, I just hope my daughter finds more joy in reality than "adjusted reality".

Chris

[DieselBurps]

Try giving the rebellious youth the talk about the side effects of the drugs in question and the health risks. Pot is great stuff, although it does dull the mind and isn't very good for the lungs. When I'm old enough to barely sit on the porch rocking chair and pee 6 times a night, I may start smoking it. At that point, what the hell? It's probably safer than the drugs they give you for arthritis - and may even help more. Until then, I'd be concerned about incurring brain damage and becoming a liberal democrat! The Horror!

[Bill C2]

Until then, I'd be concerned about incurring brain damage and becoming a liberal democrat! The Horror!

Which part horrifies you?? :confused:

[madcat8000]

Which part horrifies you?? :confused:

i thought brain damage and liberal were one in the same?........j/k

[cgoodwin]

Conservative democrat?
Moderate republican?

Coke snorting, drunk driving, daddys boy, republican?
Lieing, adulterating, democrat?

??????????????

What happened to the media?

[Butterwagen]

Just found out we're pregnant. Our first.
I have this feeling it's a girl.
All this talk is stressing me out.
I think this forum needs a "Family Talk" section so I can avoid overload.

[cgoodwin]

CONGRADULATIONS! You have a lot of things to think about so don't jump ahead several years just yet. You can enjoy the next 10 months with a hormonal mother whose blood volume doubles and whose entire body and mind gets put through the wringer, then you have the horror of childbirth, which becomes a joyous experience only after everyone is sitting in the same room using thier own lungs and is healthy. They a very steep learning curve where you will be seeking advice from others who have gone through the same thing but can't seem to remember any of the details, followed by a great deal of misinformation and about 4 hours a day of broken sleep for the first 9 months, first bowel movement after the begin semi-solid foor, first cold, first ear infection, first time they get sick but can't communicate, first crawling, first walking hand over hand along everything you once loved, first waffel in the DVD player, first juice poured into the $1100 Nakamichi, first day you leave them with someone else, first day spent with other children alternating putting everything in sight into thier mouths and exchanging gallons of spit and every germ known to man (Having a child spend even a few hours in the company of other children is like having them lick pay phones, colds, runny noses, diaheria, building immune systems), etc,etc, etc.


Only after about two years when they are healthy and you have aged 6 years in that time can you begin to wonder what will happen another 10 years down the road. Get ready for the hardest and happiest 3 years of your life. Congradulations!

Chris

[madcat8000]

quotes from the delivery room:

ive changed my mind i dont wanna have a baby

I HATE U

I AM BREATHING U SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh and heres a tip if u have annoying friends and family pray to god they dont wanna be there. theres nothing worse than a stressful situation spent with a fool who cant seem to shut up. and its always better to have fewer people around when u cant take it anymore and start crying.

[madcat8000]

Conservative democrat?
Moderate republican?

Coke snorting, drunk driving, daddys boy, republican?
Lieing, adulterating, democrat?

??????????????

What happened to the media?

does it bother anyone else that when u take the politics out of it the last 2 presidents are both good ol boys form the south?

[DieselBurps]

Which part horrifies you?? :confused:

I could stomach a conservative democrat. The liberal part... :eek:

Coke snorting, drunk driving, daddys boy, republican?
Lieing, adulterating, democrat?

Actually, the Coke snorting part cancels out. The democrat you speak of had that habit as well. His own brother made reference to the "nose like a Hoover"! And (by long division), I think the daddys boy/who's my daddy? part cancels out pretty much as well. The differences are becoming less and less. One has a more aggressive foreign policy, the other liked to take foreign money for elections... Both spend money like mad.

The media is having a fit because they cannot convict Rove and one of their own is languishing in prison! What good are they (the media) anyway? After the CBS and CNN creative investigative news incidents, it's tough to take anything they report seriously. Even the weather!

Butterwagen! Congrats! Maybe it'll be twins! :D

[dana linscott]

Hey...I thought that this is what the political rant section is for!

I know you guys are all just joking..well most of you are....but hesitate to encourage political discussion out of that section set aside for it.

Turning everything into a political discussion is a great way to ruin the usefulness of a forum.

[Butterwagen]

uh thanks guys.

I feel much better

[cgoodwin]

I was raised in a time when the media did something. A politician said 4+4=9 and the reporters said "Wait a moment, what math are you using", today a politician can say "John Smith is actually a platapus and the reporters smile and nod" or "The economy is better than it has been in 500 years" and reporters afraid to piss anyone off say "Oh, we can print that the economy is better than it has been in 500 years because John Q Politician says so". The land of the free press is a thing of the past along with the T-rex, the Brontosaurus and the Thesaurus, rarest of all pre history animals.


Chris

[Bill C2]

Butterwagen
CONGRATULATIONS.
You will be getting a lot of “help and advice” from a lot of people over the next 9 months and more. Here is my 2 cents…
When the baby is born, and you and your wife are holding that little bundle for the 1st time, it’s absolutely magic. Nothing else you ever do will come close. It will be one of, if not the, highest moment in your entire life. Enjoy the moment! You will gain new respect for your wife and be amazed at how soon she will forget about the pain she just went through. The whole world changes when you hold your child for the first time. You will even gain new understanding and respect for your own parents when you realize you are going through the same thing they did when you were born.

[cgoodwin]

Butterwagen
CONGRATULATIONS.
You will be getting a lot of “help and advice” from a lot of people over the next 9 months and more. Here is my 2 cents…
When the baby is born, and you and your wife are holding that little bundle for the 1st time, it’s absolutely magic. Nothing else you ever do will come close. It will be one of, if not the, highest moment in your entire life. Enjoy the moment! You will gain new respect for your wife and be amazed at how soon she will forget about the pain she just went through. The whole world changes when you hold your child for the first time. You will even gain new understanding and respect for your own parents when you realize you are going through the same thing they did when you were born.

I don't know about that, about once a month I have a new "best moment ever", the first time they say "I love my daddy" is pretty high. And you will either gain new respect for your parents of loose some. I vowed not to make the mistakes my parents did, that is partly why I waited until 40 to have a child.

Chris

[madcat8000]

yep having sucky parents is a strong motivator in being a good one.

[Bill C2]

Chris
Your point is well taken, and one man's experence will not neccesarily be the same and anothers. As for me, very little will top that 1st moment even though there are a life time of great moments.
I'm sure the vast majority of us had the same feelings about our parents

[cgoodwin]

Ithink I was so terrified during birth that I could not really enjoy it. Who do go go with when they take the baby to clean it, your new child, tiny and helpless or the person you love who is in the most pain of her life? My daughter was born with one foot a bit wonky and her mother was terrified it was a birth defect, that made things even more tense (it was of course fine).


Chris

[Butterwagen]

I don't know about that, about once a month I have a new "best moment ever", the first time they say "I love my daddy" is pretty high. And you will either gain new respect for your parents of loose some. I vowed not to make the mistakes my parents did, that is partly why I waited until 40 to have a child.

Chris

Well, I'm sure it will be the best moment ever for a while at least. It only has to compete with the time I was riding in a bus in western China and realized the road was lined (literally) with marijuana plants. Tears came to my eyes (literally). Apparently its a weed there (literally).