Greasecar spies and lies

[cgoodwin]

Please view the following post:
http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251

Shame, shame, shame.

Chris

[madcat8000]

LOL..............thats so f***ed up!

[vegdude]

Hello,

Yes I posted from my Greasecar desk as a general forum user and biofuels enthusiast and hobbyist. I do not have internet at my home and use this computer after hours as a personal computer. I thought this was a public forum, and was unclear that reading and responding to posts was qualified as "spies and lies". While all other users are able to retain their anonymous identities by using internet 'handles' I have been exposed for the biofuel critic I am! Taboot,my place of work and e-mail information is made public while others can continue to post under fun names without disclosing personal info. I was unaware all personal details were required to be involved here. I am surprised to find that working at Greasecar renders my posts invalid and are suddenly subject to ridicule. Let me make clear that no one here at Greasecar asked me to come on to your site or post. As a driver of a vegetable oil powered car and person who has been interested in alternative fuels and websites pertaining to this information for several years I wanted to check out this forum and see what it was all about. I did not mean to offend, never used bad language or curse words, just wanted to post my $0.02 and opinions on matters. Yes my opinion is impartial, but so is yours no? If you are telling me I am unwelcome here then I will no longer post here.
-lee

[dana linscott]

God...I love the internet.

Freedom to disguise who you really are..to a point. :D

I have never felt the need to post anonymously.
Nor apparently has Chris.

I get the feeling that Chris would have had no problem with a representative of Greasecar posting opposing viewpoints here...despite the fact he began this forum after feeling unwelcome on Greasecars forum. In fact he woudl probably welcome it.

And I am not sure that Lee truely represented Greasecar.
He may simply be an overzealous employee.

After all I don't see how it could serve Greasecars best interests to "throw mud" on a forum they could have just as easily used to educate prospective customers in the advantages of a Greasecar conversion kit and gather information that might improve thier product in the long run.


Chris doesn't claim to always get it right...but has proved willing to listen to opposing opinions and learn on a pretty constant basis. Heck...he even began a private disuccion for all of the folks who make a living (or hope to soon) from converting diesel to svo/wvo. I had hope we could get together to discuss such things as uniform test standards. But so far there hasn't been much activity.

Soon our customers will demand that we provide some proof that our claims are true and I think that those of us who choose to openly compare and discuss the performace and features of the systems we sell..and those who choose not to.

[cgoodwin]

Hello,

Yes I posted from my Greasecar desk as a general forum user and biofuels enthusiast and hobbyist. I do not have internet at my home and use this computer after hours as a personal computer. I thought this was a public forum, and was unclear that reading and responding to posts was qualified as "spies and lies". While all other users are able to retain their anonymous identities by using internet 'handles' I have been exposed for the biofuel critic I am! Taboot,my place of work and e-mail information is made public while others can continue to post under fun names without disclosing personal info. I was unaware all personal details were required to be involved here.

None of your personal info has been revealed, sorry if you feel violated after attacking me with unfounded slander in my kitchen. Your email address is available on the Greasecar site, your IP address is available to anyone with the skills to type in the word "Google". While your posts have been "fun" you must admit that posting from Greasecar only posts having to do with Greasecar and slandering others is pretty poor judgement. If you were one of my employees, I would fire you ASAP as a liability.

If you are concerned about your personal info, you should wake up. In a few minutes anyone who knows you name and the state you live in can find out a great deal about you. Going on a web forum and posting slanderous info is definately to be avoided.

I am surprised to find that working at Greasecar renders my posts invalid and are suddenly subject to ridicule. Let me make clear that no one here at Greasecar asked me to come on to your site or post.

You are there at Greasecar, are you saying you are not responsible for your actions? As a rep of Greasecar your actions are those of greasecar, unless you have different hats you put on when you want to have different responsibilities, in this case it was white with a point and said "DUNCE".

I have not banned your IP or Username, nor deleted any of your posts, you have done both to me on the Greasecar forum. I have had several posts deleted including one today and when i last logged on I was informed that I now had an "Invalid Username". If I wanted to ban you I could do so, as you have, I could ban everyone in your city, as could you. Your posts are welcome here but as they have only been attacks on me, they only serve to illustrate how foolish you are. To date nothing you have written ahs been constructive in any way, but go ahead, have at it, unless you violate the rules set up at the beginning of the forum, I am bound by my word to allow "Free and open discussion", no matter how much I would like to spit on your shoes for being a backstabbing fool.

As a driver of a vegetable oil powered car and person who has been interested in alternative fuels and websites pertaining to this information for several years I wanted to check out this forum and see what it was all about. I did not mean to offend, never used bad language or curse words, just wanted to post my $0.02 and opinions on matters. Yes my opinion is impartial, but so is yours no? If you are telling me I am unwelcome here then I will no longer post here.
-lee

"hate to see misinformation simply as self promotion!" How was this not meant to offend, have you no manners? What you have been doing is slandering me, even in threads I have not made comments on and backing the Greasecar party line regardless of anything else. You have never posted one piece of advice or begun one topic, anyone can click on your username and read every post you have made, no secrets here Lee. You are more than welcome here, I imagine you will continue to do Greasecar a great disservice but have at it if you must. If you choose to attack me and play with the dogs, don't be all teary eyed if you get bit now and then.

Chris

[ZukiFrodo]

Lee, just so you know, you've now got a hard road to travel. Trust is nearly impossible to build once broken. If your behavior is any indication of the modus operandi or "mood" at Greasecar, you've perhaps done us all a favor. For the benefit of the community, I hope that's not the case.

Ideally, we'd all be one happy little community, supporting each other in our efforts, whether builder or user (to a degree, of course). Dana and Chris, I sincerely applaud your comraderie, understanding and mutual respect for each other.

Keep up the good work!

[sergio]

Hey Chris,I got a kick out of your deductive reasonning.It is really a shame,When he asked for your advise,you gave it to him,at NO CHARGE,,,,You also gave him your competetors web sites to follow up on,possibly taking away business from your company,very admorable.This makes him a SNAKE and you a reputable person.With your deductive reasonning,Have you ever thought of writting a screen play for COLUMBO.You can be Peter Faulk,convert his olf FRENCH car over to WVO and catch the bad guy,,,the idea may need a little polishing.
On a better note,how you help people out is admerable,don't let this guy get you down,as they say,HE AIN'T WORTH IT.

[Mandilon]

It is said it takes 12 lies TO COVER-UP a lie:-(

I see about A DOZEN lies in the 'I'm sorry' response!

RE: "I do not have internet at my home and use this computer after hours as a personal computer."

Should we start an international investigation to get 'to the bottom of this?'

I'd like to see 'the other' 144 lies, -then the next 1,728, -then the next....., -yikes my calculator shorted-out!

give me time to find my stand-by calculator, -back in a jiffy.

[brownforddiesel]

After reading all that I had to laugh.

But on a side note, any website (greasecar) allowing their own members to post posts argueing not "among" themselves but "with" themselves (ie Batteryboy) has issues to start with.


James

[crazycal]

But I do know that the only thing that Greasecar seems to be good at is getting their name on t.v., radio and in the paper. When it comes to responding to a potential customer that calls a half dozen times and leaves messages about their kits, they suck. They have an awesome PR campaign. That don't mean s**t. Let them continue to piss people off and act like 10 year olds. They will be the ones to suffer in the end.

[dana linscott]

I agree that that hurts GC in the long run.

But lets consider this for a moment.
If we are going to be so genrally hostile to GC they have no incentive whatsoever to post here. I wouldn't.

And we would all be better off if GC and the rest of the folks investing in and (hopefully) making profit from converting diesels to grease would be able to work together on some level..especially when it comes to component performance standards, testing, and general research into the effects of vegoil/grease fuel on modern diesel engines. If we could at least all get together on one forum everyone would benefit.

A few of us seem to actually be working toward this (as time permits) but it would be much better if ALL of the folks in the field could at least communicate with each other on some level.

The fairly natural "paranoia" that goes with being in a business with emerging/fast changing technology like ours acts as a natural barrier to communication all by itself. And the two "major" conversion kit suppliers GC and Greasel seem to be the most paranoid about communication. I assume they are fearful of letting information slip that might help "the competition". I understand that..and hope it passes soon as they realize there is so much potential customer base no one can possibly satisfy it if it becomes fully developed.

Here is the main reason I think they have for opening line of communication with "the competition". Some of us are talking to each other. And there are so many folks that are interested in starting new vegoil fuel based business that there will soon be a virtual explosion of competition. If we do not as an industry develop some kind of standards there will be crap flooding the market which will have a high potential of ruining the potential customer base. It is in no-ones interests to allow that to happen. At the very least we need to set standard for ourselves so new "competitors" will have a benchmark they must meet to compete at all.

Here is another thing to think about. The biodiesel industry started out as a bunch of small businesses who could not co-operate or communicate on any level with each other. mainly due to this single weakness when the guys with big bucks (ADM, Shell, etc) showed up there was no way to compete with them and they simply took over the entire industry.

Unless we are willing to at least co-operate enough to communicate that is exactly what will happen to us. I have already been approached by potential clients with some major funding who are willing ot invest more in conceptual testing than I have made in my entire life. And frankly I the offers they have made are very tempting. They are willing to sponsor research projects it woudl take years ( and hundreds of hours of grant writing) to get funded by our govt. And that in itself is VERY tempting to me.

But I have worked for the govt and big business before and niether one woudl be my first choice. Iwoudl much rather work with a coalition of small businesses.

So how about it?
I know both Greasel and Greasecar read this forum but never post.

I knw Charlie will be loath to include himself in any discussion I am part of simply because I have been so critical. And Justin may be so embarrassed by Lees (almost) anonymous posts and the critical responses which continue that he is very hesitant to join such a discussion as well.

But c'mon...How long will it take for you both to realize it does not serve your best interests to remain out of the "loop" that is quickly forming.

Take a big risk and post to the open forum.
Or take a smaller risk and email me or post to the private "clash of the titans" discussion.

Lets get moving on this before the opportunity passes by.

And lets get over Lees posting here OK?
I know Chris is.