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KansasDiesel
10-12-2005, 09:35 AM
I have just gotten a that popular harbor freight 1" water pump. I have the inlet connected to a 3/4" pipe that routed to the top of the drum then down into the drum to suck oil out a rise of about 32". The out side of the pump goes to a filter then a hose from there.

I primed the pump, even filled the tube down to the pump. Turned it on to expect a lot of fluid being pumped out of the drum, and nothing, the pump is running, very little suction, and no movement of fluid.

Has anyone had this type of problems with this pump?

It was late last night and I was not in the mood to continue to mess with it. But I think that it should be sucking hard enough to lift 32" then down to the pump, and push it out the filter.

Yes brand new out of the box pump.....

FrenchFry
10-12-2005, 12:28 PM
I have that same pump...just bought it and I have not installed it yet. Now I'm a little concerned.

I did see it working well on a Biodiesel set up. But, the pump was pumping oil from the bottom of a 55 gallon drum that had a bulkhead fitting installed in the bottom of the barrel. It was pumping the Biodiesel to the top of the 55 gallon drum to mix Biodiesel. Worked well and the oil really moved!

I was planning on installing mine similar to your set up. I know these pumps are not self priming but it sounds like you took care of that.

I'll keep posted...maybe someone has some practical advice.

Tom Yaz
10-12-2005, 01:28 PM
That pump will work when gravity fed,
But If you want it to "suck" you might as well go to "Susy Kim Massage Parlor" :mad:

VeggieRanger
10-12-2005, 02:23 PM
I have a friend who builds biodiesel reactors with that pump. He built a brand new reactor with a brand new, out of the box, 1" pump from Harbor Freight. He brought it to a biofuels get-together here in Atlanta for a demonstration and when he tried to get it to circulate the WVO, nothing happened. He took it apart and found a piece of cloth stuck in it. Keep in mind, this was a brand new pump right out of the box.

If you have a local Harbor Freight and can exchange it, I would do that. If it is mail order, you may try taking it apart to see if an assembly worker in China left a part of their shirt in your pump too... :rolleyes:

Here's a pic on that same day *after* he took the cloth out of the pump and put it back together!

http://www.southerngrease.com/images/biobrew4.jpg

VR

Tom Yaz
10-12-2005, 03:23 PM
So is this pic supposed to be the "punch line"? :D
(I see no liquid in the line)

KansasDiesel
10-14-2005, 04:31 AM
I talked to their tech support person, and either he was an idiot or I just don't understand the pump. He said prime it again and let it run for a while, like 5 mins. :eek: so I guess it might work. I didn't feel any suction from that side when I placed my hand over the piping, so I told him I didn't think that would work. Maybe it needs to run for 5 mins to get up to speed to allow the sucking action to work? :rolleyes:

VR - I thank you for that imput. I can't take it back due to missing the reciept and having it past 30 days, so I plan on taking it apart and inspecting the China-mans installation proceedures.

And there is alway changing my design to gravity feed the stupid thing. Even though they clam a 10 foot suction lift.

On a side note : Has anyone used that 1" gas engine driven water pump from HF for collection? and will it work in the winter?

vegged-out
10-14-2005, 11:27 AM
Hi ,

I found with that pump you need a gravity feed to the pump and open the primer when it is running to get it to prime. It is primed when you have half a gallon of VO sprayed in your face. After that it will push oil up 20 ft. to the loft in my workshop with no problem.needles to say I put a check vavve in and leave the pump and intake full.


Michiel

FrenchFry
10-14-2005, 12:05 PM
On that pump there is a bolt you can remove to prime the pump. What if you have a 5 gallon container full of veggie, screw into that bolt hole a hose fitting and run a hose between the pump and the 5 gallon container. That will keep the pump primed. If you follow that set up, I'm wondering if the pump will pull oil up out of a full oil drum?

KansasDiesel
10-14-2005, 01:22 PM
Very interesting, and thank you for your comments.
I will be experimenting this weekend. :)

I have thought about a CV also it will be a needed item to keep it primed.

VeggieRanger
10-14-2005, 08:47 PM
So is this pic supposed to be the "punch line"? :D
(I see no liquid in the line)

LOL! It's a biodiesel reactor. In the pic, he's introducing the catalyst/reactant mix (methoxide) to the hot oil. Methoxide is clear, hot and lethal. He's wearing safety glasses and nitrile gloves in the pic. (if it were me
I would also have on long sleeves but it was hot outside when this pic was taken)

VR

Bobby
10-15-2005, 09:12 PM
The Harbor Freight Pump sounds "messy" IF the priming process does indeed spew about a half gallon of veggy before getting fully primed...

Does anyone have any ideas for other similiar pumps that are self priming? Links or info appreciated.

cgoodwin
10-15-2005, 09:54 PM
www.northerntools.com (http://www.northerntools.com) sells a great pump, 110vac http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200249024&R=200249024 or http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200201424&R=200201424great pump in the 110vac range as for 12 vdc pumps the only one I have found is the tuthill/fillrite 1604 http://transfer.tuthill.com/Products/FuelTransferPumps/DC/dceccentricpump1600.asp but some have had good luck with the http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/NTELargeImageView?rfno=200312385&storeId=6970

The northerntool clear water pump can be a real drag to bleed air out of, in my system it is the lowest point and each time I use it I spend 5 minutes getting it to flow, any air at all will cavitate the pump and you spend another 5 minutes getting it pumping!

Chris

KansasDiesel
10-17-2005, 04:21 AM
www.northerntools.com (http://www.northerntools.com) sells a great pump, 110vac http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200249024&R=200249024 or http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200201424&R=200201424great pump in the 110vac range as for 12 vdc pumps the only one I have found is the tuthill/fillrite 1604 http://transfer.tuthill.com/Products/FuelTransferPumps/DC/dceccentricpump1600.asp but some have had good luck with the http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/NTELargeImageView?rfno=200312385&storeId=6970

The northerntool clear water pump can be a real drag to bleed air out of, in my system it is the lowest point and each time I use it I spend 5 minutes getting it to flow, any air at all will cavitate the pump and you spend another 5 minutes getting it pumping!

Chris

I have a fillrite 12/24 vdc pump But get tired of charging the 12v and 24 v batteries, that is why I was trying the 1" water pump. I did have time to mess with it this weekend but may try and come up with a way to keep it primmed... Thanks

Bobby
10-17-2005, 08:00 PM
Kansas,

Are you at all worried about pumping a partial flow of gasoline through the harborfreight pump?

By the way Chris, thanks for the links.... everyone I checked out stated not for pumping gasoline. I'm wondering if that applies only for strictly gasoline and not for the 10%, 5% combo used with the DSE formula. Anyone ever had a fire with this pump? :eek:

I wonder how explosive this conconction would be at 10:5:85 (kerosene:gasoline:WVO)

cgoodwin
10-17-2005, 09:55 PM
I use it for VO, not snake oil. Research your "Blends" and I think you will find they are not very good ideas. If you have a gallon of black paint and you mix in a teaspoon of white and two of red, you do not end up with a gallon of pink paint. Same goes for viscosity. If you are going to mess about with chemistry, just make biodiesel and be done with it. I have read all the German studies and all showed significant carbon buildup and injector damage. In addition, if you heat a mix containing gasoline, it evaporates and is pretty carcenogenic.


CG

mobetta
10-18-2005, 04:43 AM
seems to me if yer spending that kinda money(northern tools) ya might as well get a shallow well pump. up here in the midwest you can get one @ fleet farm for about $160.

turbofroggy
10-18-2005, 11:49 AM
RedLine Pumps makes the absolute best pump for moving SVO:

http://www.redlinepumps.com/pages/1/index.htm

It is a pump designed to pump heavy oils, not a "water pump".

It self primes 10 feet of 3/4 pex in about 5 seconds.

Made in the USA and heavy duty, HIGHLY recommended.

350 Longrod
10-18-2005, 08:42 PM
The clear water pump from harbor needs to be below oil level it is rated to pick up water not veggi veggi is to thick I have found that about 8 ft is it maximum lift for veggi.

Medicine Creek greaser
10-18-2005, 11:17 PM
Regarding creative mixtures (RUG, etc) with WVO in a single tank system, has anyone encountered a catastrophic engine failure as we are so often warned about?

Foiled
10-20-2005, 06:53 PM
The link I provided is for a pump which has to be the Harbor Freight 1" water pump in this thread. Someone has the bid up to $102.50 with one day to go. :eek: :eek:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/110-Volt-1-inch-1-2-HP-Utility-Pump-WVO-Biodiesel_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6755QQitemZ45 82896534QQrdZ1 Can it be true? :eek:

FrenchFry
10-20-2005, 07:21 PM
Yes, that appears to be it. $36 in store and last I checked $24 in their online store. That same pump is selling for over $100 on eBay! :o The pump I bought may be 1 Hp though while the one on eBay is 1/2 Hp. Could be wrong on that.

flamenco5555
10-23-2005, 07:22 AM
come on guys...everyone knows that H F is good for cheap electrical tape and everything else is essentially a disposable tool. You get what you pay for!

mobetta
12-06-2005, 07:23 AM
You buy sh!t, You own sh!it...