The fallacy of Darwinian Evolution

[Zouave]

Originally Posted by JojoJaro

Also, we already know how you feel about the King James Bible or many things I believe. So, I would appreciate it if you cut down on the mockery. Let us debate the merits or demerits of the various arguments against Darwinian Evolution.

Two-way street.

[cgoodwin]

Omo Valley Ethiopia



The Sami of Finland


Dao tribe woman (Bảo Lạc, Vietnam)



Karen Hill tribe Burma


Kids

[JojoJaro]

Originally Posted by mike saunders

Jojo,


The fact that microevolution occurs in relatively short timeframes -- penicillin resistance, dog breed changes, etc. -- actually amplifies the possibility of macroevolution occurring in the spans of thousands or millions of years.

Of course not. The mechanism for Microevolution is not the same as for Macroevolution. Microevolution involves the expression of DNA genes that are already there. Macroevolution is the wholesale changing of the DNA itself. Microevolution does not lead to Macroevolution.

Microevolution is like 'uncovering' a stored table in your house and move it to where you want it when you need a table. Macroevolution is like prying some wood from your walls to build a table when you need a table. One uses a latent capability already there, the second rearranges everything to come up with that capability.

Microevolution is indeed a capability built into our DNA to allow us to adopt to changing conditions. Macroevolution relies on Random processes to get it right. Microevolution is a deterministic process of expressing latent genes. Macroevolution uses a game of chance to select a mutation that may be useful or may indeed by harmful.

The only people who can't accept that are those who ignore geologic record and insist that the world is only 6,000 years old. For these people, of course no macroevolution will be observed because it doesn't happen that quickly.

Even if we assume that the earth is 4 billion years old, there would still be not enough time for macroevolution to happen.

Put a monkey in front of a typewriter and calculate the odds of that monkey typing 'Romeo and Juliet'. Let me help you out. If Romeo and Juliet had 10,000 letters, the odds are 26^10,0000 or approx 10^14149 (Folks, this is a number with 14,149 zeroes behind it). If the monkey can type 10,000 letters per second, it would take that monkey 10^14140 years to type out Romeo and Juliet. In probability, odds like this are considered virtually impossible. Macroevolution faces odds higher that this.

[cgoodwin]

Children, human children.



Parent digging in bomb rubble for thier children, Golan Heights. Religious bombing.



Bombing Iraq 2003, the face of war.



Iraq, get those evil people, get them!



Lebanon



Sudan religious war.

Isn't it all so beautiful, so loving and respectful of life. What would Jesus do? He would smash every church to rubble. Religious intolerance makes me sick, causes more suffering and does more damage than any other single factor. People like you JojoJaro cause this kind of suffering, with your attacks on Islam without even understanding it, your constant posturing. I watched people just like you hack the arms from children in Africa becasue they knew it would take two people to look after a cripple so by maiming each child, 3 people were removed from the possible forces to fight against them. All in the name of religion, a religion they did not even understand.

[JojoJaro]

Originally Posted by cgoodwin

Isn't it all so beautiful, so loving and respectful of life. What would Jesus do? He would smash every church to rubble. Religious intolerance makes me sick, causes more suffering and does more damage than any other single factor. People like you JojoJaro cause this kind of suffering, with your attacks on Islam without even understanding it, your constant posturing. I watched people just like you hack the arms from children in Africa becasue they knew it would take two people to look after a cripple so by maiming each child, 3 people were removed from the possible forces to fight against them. All in the name of religion, a religion they did not even understand.

What does this have to do with Darwinian Evolution. Is it your intent to hijack this thread because you've lost the argument on Darwinian Evolution?

Yes, I know how you feel about me and my 'radical views',etc. But go back to discussing Darwinian Evolution, unless of course you've lost that debate. If you continue to hijack this thread, I'm going to have to assume you've given up the debate on Darwinian Evolution.

Let's hijack another thread for your opinion about religion. I really don't want this thread to be hijacked because I want people to have a clear thread on Darwinian Evolution. But then, of course, people like you and Zuoave will hijack it because you've lost the argument.

[DieselBurps]

Originally Posted by cgoodwin

I watched people just like you hack the arms from children in Africa becasue they knew it would take two people to look after a cripple so by maiming each child, 3 people were removed from the possible forces to fight against them. All in the name of religion, a religion they did not even understand.

Just FYI - this doesn't sound good. You need to toss in "while forced to do nothing by the point of a gun", or "while bound and gagged and unable to protest" - or even "while helplessly outnumbered by armed soldiers". Just a guess, but you probably weren't taking pictures at that point...

The brutality of a man with a defective cause does seem boundless.

[cgoodwin]

Originally Posted by DieselBurps

Just FYI - this doesn't sound good. You need to toss in "while forced to do nothing by the point of a gun", or "while bound and gagged and unable to protest" - or even "while helplessly outnumbered by armed soldiers". Just a guess, but you probably weren't taking pictures at that point...

The brutality of a man with a defective cause does seem boundless.

No I was not taking photos although had I, I would be rich today. I did sit on a park bench in Thailand and watch while a tour bus of German pedophiles filed into a brothel filled with youg boys from the surrounding villages. I did nothing.

[cgoodwin]

No highjack, you said that evolution is not possible sue to irreducible complexity and that nothing exists in nature that does not confer a survival benefit. I showed you to be wrong on both points. You conceded that evolution does happen on a lesser level but have been incapable of showing this.

Again: You say that evolution can happen, but that it can not happen where it contradicts your version of a 397 year old translation, of a translation, of a translation, of a book written starting in 400BC in dead languages and intentionally translated to reflect the translators views... I find your argument irreducibly complex. If any single stone falls from the pulpit you have built on conjecture, it all collapses.


So explain how evolution only exists on your terms...

[JojoJaro]

Originally Posted by cgoodwin

No highjack, you said that evolution is not possible sue to irreducible complexity and that nothing exists in nature that does not confer a survival benefit. I showed you to be wrong on both points. You conceded that evolution does happen on a lesser level but have been incapable of showing this.

Chris, I think you are not reading some of my responses. Do you just skip to the end of the thread? Read all my responses, I've answered it all.

If you don't agree with the answers, fine, let's agree to disagree.

In either case, we can move on. Answer the Chirality argument against Darwinian Evolution. (Post #46).

[cgoodwin]

You are right, I only read your responses to me, responses to others you may be argueing with I ignore, we are having a discussion why should I waste my time reading what you spout to others? This is a point by point discussion. I served last, you need to hit the ball or head to the locker room.

Have you seen the Crucifix gun?