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Old 08-28-2008, 11:51 AM
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Darn, that's what I've been doing wrong here: using words instead of pictures to make points.

I have a coupe of friends who are illustrators. For a six-pack and a home-cooked meal, they'll whip up a comic book that will help the folks here understand politics at a level higher than the average Fox broadcast....


I'll get right on that....
Oh the liberal media does that a lot - there are many foamy-mouthed, liberal cartoonists that doodle for them to make fun of the conservative side of things. I guess when you see the same trick played back on your favorite political folks it really hits home! The liberal media rarely publishes derogatory cartoons on Democratic politicians, so it isn't something you are used to.

Good luck with your comic book. That has already been done - the folks that share common political leanings get most of their education in that form already!!!

Why do you call yourself "independent" when you are so biased to the left?
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Old 08-28-2008, 02:29 PM
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help the folks here understand politics at a level higher than the average Fox broadcast....
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Correct me if Im wrong?....Doesnt Fox have overall the very best viewed ratings from other news broadcasters? I feel you may have one of these bumper stickers on your 98 Suburban??

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Old 08-28-2008, 06:38 PM
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I just got this over email...
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Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.
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I haven't verified it yet, but it is pretty amusing. So are these quotes:


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From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'!
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

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Ya gotta love those racist bastards!
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Old 08-28-2008, 08:24 PM
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If you actually belive Obama is racists you must be a pretty big idiot.

On the other hand, we do know why some oppose illegal immigration.

gotta love those racist bastards.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:19 PM
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I just got this over email...

Ya gotta love those racist bastards!
A little under two minutes have passed since I read your original post until this reply.

The Google search itself took 0.27 seconds, yielding information that has been on the web for months.

Posting it without actually doing the minimal work to check it out is pretty much the height of intellectual dishonesty, on a par with all you moan about from the other side.

Then again, maybe it was my mistake to expect more.


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Quotes From Barack Obama Books-Truth! & Fiction!
Summary of the eRumor:

A collection of quotes from two books written by Senator Barack Obama that try to highlight his attitudes about race and Islam.
The Truth:
All but two of the quotes seem to be accurate, but are taken out of context.

One of the quotes does not exist and the one about Islam is fabricated.

Also, whoever constructed this eRumor claims that some of the quotes are from a book by Obama titled Dreams of My Father. The actual title of Obama's book is Dreams From my Father.

In response to email rumors that have circulated about Obama, his campaign has created a page to respond to the rumors. CLICK HERE for the "Fight the Smears" page.

(CLICK HERE for a list of other related stories about Barack Obama)

Let's look at them one-at-a-time:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."-Truth!
This is an accurate quote from the introduction to Dreams from My Father. The book chronicles Obama's experience as the son of an African father and an American mother.

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."-Fiction!
This quote does not exist in either of Obama's books.

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."-Truth!
This is a quote from Dreams from My Father. It it in a section in which Obama describes a job interview with a man in Chicago. Race had been a part of their discussion and the full quote is, "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white---he'd said himself that was a problem."

It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."-Truth!
This one is also from Dreams from My Father. It is from a section when Obama was a college student and wrestling with his identity including as an African-American. The quote describes his observation of what was required among his fellow students.

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."-Truth!
This is from Dreams from my Father. The more complete quote is, ""Yes, Iíd seen weakness in other menó Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didnít speak to my own. It was into my fatherís image, the black man, son of Africa, that Iíd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."-Fiction!
This is a corruption of a quote from Obama's book The Audacity of Hope. It is from a section that talks about the concerns of immigrants who are American citizens.

Here is the accurate and more complete quote: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

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Old 08-28-2008, 10:31 PM
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Dieselburps gets his news from the internet. What do you expect?
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Old 08-29-2008, 08:16 AM
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Dieselburps gets his news from the internet. What do you expect?
Reading is fundamental. Maybe you missed the part about it being something I received over email? Step it up a notch, little Darwin!

Mike - you should be aware of this by now, but if not I will make a point of clueing you in now. Not everything you read is true! Just because it is emailed to you or it came up in a google search does NOT make it reality. I think it would be better to compare the quotes I listed with the books in question, don't you? So - how much time of that remaining 1.73 seconds (between the 2 seconds and that .27 seconds) did you spend validating your source there? Probably as much time as I did... Only - I mentioned that I hadn't verified the info - so while my deed may not have been absolutely correct, it isn't anywhere near the level of intellectual dishonesty you are showing here!

I just thought it was amusing that this sort of stuff is circulating. Obama's attitude on race has been demonstrated already. People may be taking advantage of that to smear Obama - but I guess we'll need to crack open one of his books to see for ourselves.
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Why do you call yourself "independent" when you are so biased to the left?

LOL....

I'm only considered left-leaning here, where you and the rest of the cabal make Attila the Hun look like a commie draft dodger.

In the real world, back in the big blue room, I'd be considered a moderate independent..
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LOL....

I'm only considered left-leaning here, where you and the rest of the cabal make Attila the Hun look like a commie draft dodger.

In the real world, back in the big blue room, I'd be considered a moderate independent..
It's all in perspective. When you espouse viewpoints to the left of a fixed position and define yourself as the center, it makes those on the right appear farther away. Why do you think you are the moderate, center of the spectrum type? Perhaps if we evaluate your core beliefs, you might find that you aren't anywhere near the center. First - we must define the center...
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It's all in perspective. When you espouse viewpoints to the left of a fixed position and define yourself as the center, it makes those on the right appear farther away. Why do you think you are the moderate, center of the spectrum type? Perhaps if we evaluate your core beliefs, you might find that you aren't anywhere near the center. First - we must define the center...


Meh...

Pro capital punishment
Anti minority set-asides
Pro family
Pro choice
Anti Iraq war
Pro Taliban suppression in Afghanistan
Pro tax cuts for low and middle class
Pro Second Amendment
Pro elimination of gun show sales loophole.

etc....

It tends to get complicated from there.
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